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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:20 am 
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Hi Guys

I feel another rant coming on, but stick with me as I need opinions.

I very often turn down web site design work because the business owners have tunnel vision in their view of what keywords should be used to form content within their site. For example: one recent biz owner had his head firmly fixed around the idea that if you wanted a hole you would search for holes, rather than look for the tool to make the hole.

I have had many clients give me their own set of keywords and want me to use only those and no others. And after a bit of keyword research, I find that his set of keywords do not get searched for hardly at all, and I just know he is not going to get results and ensuing inquiries. No matter how much I advise him on keywords, he knows best. He is not interested in the 200 or so keywords that I have found that relate to his business and can be successful for him.

So, the end result is him gonna be a very unhappy camper as his site is going nowhere fast.

Many years of experience tells me that this is a totally futile exercise and not worth pursuing.

Do any of you guys have an opinions on this, and can share some of your experiences.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:30 am 
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There's no benefit to you in turning down business because the client doesn't know how to do keyword research (or does it wrong).
I communicate the need for better keywords and then do the website with the client's keywords. If they come back later and complain about their rankings, I charge them for time to do the keyword research and add them to the website.

I have a similar problem with clients and content. Some clients specify websites that are keyword content deserts. They want/insist on having photos, videos and slideshows with very little keyword relevant textual content. They are more concerned about the look of the site than the effectiveness in having the search engines find it. I just make sure that my butt is covered by communicating the lack of keyword content. They get their "pretty" websites and I get my fee. Once they are told, it becomes their decision to have a SEO desert.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:51 pm 
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Here are my ideas:

1. It really helps if you have a strong example, like the massage therapist here in Vancouver whose business went through the roof when the SEO consultant was able to persuade him away from focusing on "massage therapist" and to focus instead on "pain relief" and "stress relief" keywords. He had to move to larger premises and hire several more therapists. True story!

2. Be very firm and very sure of yourself when you discuss SEO with them. I find that some of the people who resell my services lose business or let the client lead them down the wrong path because they are too mild-mannered, low energy, wishy-washy, self-effacing or lacking in conviction when they talk to the client. I know this because they tell me what they said (to my horror, usually), plus, I know how they speak to me. Cultivate a strong, confident voice. A strong, confident voice alone can often win the day.

3. Don't let the client control this important conversation. Take and keep the lead.

4. Don't be afraid to disagree with them... strongly and confidently.

5. Make sure the client understands that you do have their best interests at heart. You want them to be successful. "Jim, do you want to succeed or fail at this?" Pause and wait for the answer! Don't speak! He will say, "I want to succeed." You say, "Okay, then we really do need to do it my way."

6. Ask questions like: "Where are you getting your research information?" "How much research have you done on this, Jim?" "Why do you think this will work?" The questions aren't so important. It's their answer that you want. They won't have done anywhere near the research you've done! "Jim, I've been doing this for ten years. I've got testimonials to attest to the fact that I know what I'm doing." And so on...

7. Use the "we" word. I try to include my clients as part of my team. "WE'll need to do it this way if WE want to succeed." (I wasn't going to put this tip in, but it works really well with many clients. They realize that you don't want to fail, so you are invested in them succeeding. It somehow changes the whole conversation when you're both on the same side.)

8. Give them the contact information for one of your clients who listened to you and did well as a result. Get your client's permission first, of course! (For the clients who don't believe your true story in #1!)

9. For the more stubborn clients, I would tell them to come back in 3-6 months and have the SEO discussion with you again. They should be far more willing to listen when their site hasn't brought them any business doing it their way. (These people can become your best customers and your most fervent cheer leaders!)

10. Take the job anyway. You still get paid for your design work and you've warned them about the SEO issue. Don't agonize over it.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:44 pm 
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My problem seems to be that I feel like I do not have time to do a good job for SEO for all my clients. There is just too much work that should be done to make this work. Have any of you used any tools to help with this with any success? The tools included with XSite are really pretty amazing but they do take a lot of time to do right


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Well, that's a completely different question! PM me on that.

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